ok thanks i would then like to buy a tortoise and a tortoise table to is this setup good its a website that is selling a herman and the table and all the stuff i am not selling it i would buy it if you tortoise lover say its a good thing to get again i am not selling for them http://www.thetortoiseshop.com/products/details/270.html

Hi Sam
See your link, and the replies
http://www.tortoise-protection-group.org.uk/site/130.asp?tID=10333
Jane

Personally, I wouldn't purchase from any reptile dealer.
One thing I did not is that one of the most important and expensive pieces of equipment is actually missing??? - There is no UVB lamp/tube which is imperative for healthy growth. This isn't a complete set-up at all, the bedding should be replaced with topsoil, the "bedside" lamp set-up looks pretty ineffective and there are other issues too.

Here is some information which should help:-

Care sheets
http://www.tortoise-protection-group.org.uk/site/80.asp

Diet
http://www.tlady.clara.net/TortGuide/Diet.htm#plantlist
http://www.thetortoisetable.org.uk/site/tortoise_home_1.asp

Equipment you will need:-

Indoor Enclosures/Tortoise Table
Either a small rabbit/guinea pig enclosure (best to get the larger one 1.2 meters) or a commercial (or home-made) tortoise table should be used
http://www.tortoise-protection-group.org.uk/site/58.asp
Despite what pet shops promote, vivariums aren't suitable for tortoises. Tortoises require a warm basking area - but also cooler areas in order to thermo-regulate (cool down) and to manage their well being properly. Vivariums offer an almost one temperature, which is totally unsuitable for tortoises.

Heating/Lighting
Lamps:-
A combined heat/UVB bulb is recommended or you can use a basking amp with a high quality UVB tube.

Lamp Holder (for use with above lamp):-

Topsoil – you can purchase a bag of this from any garden centre for a few pounds– I find the Homebase topsoil is fine

Water Dish – best NOT to get an expensive dish from a reptile store – a plant pot tray will suffice as they are shallow and are easy to climb in and out of (the shallowest available is best) – these can usually be purchased for less than £1

Broken stones or slate to go under the lamp so the tortoise can right itself if it turns over

HTH
Darren

i have wanted a tortoise for 20 years now, but i thought it was about £1000 for just a baby. i am disabled and i was watching tv 1 day and they were talking about them, they said you can get babies for about £150 so i am now looking for a tortoise, but i dont have a car so i am not able to get around very well there are no breeders near me, i live in harrow middlesex also dont know were to buy a tortoise table at all do you know of any breeders near harrow i would rather contact a breeder near me than get one from a pet shop. after reading your information. it has opened my eyes to the way pet shops operate and the way the tortoises are brought to the uk. my name is sam

Hi Sam
Sorry your last post has been missed. Darren has given you a lot of advice there, I bet you are still trailing through them!! to add to your list, I have put the link for breeders in the uk
http://www.tortoise-protection-group.org.uk/site/70.asp

I knew someone who was disabled and had tortoises, and for her out side tortoise run she had a raised bed made, so that she could access it easily, it was quite amazing how you can adapt. The torts gave her so much pleasure, and I am sure that wneh they get into adult hood you could adapt the garden too.
Have you decided on what torts you will have?
Jane

Hi Sam
Sorry your last post has been missed. Darren has given you a lot of advice there, I bet you are still trailing through them!! to add to your list, I have put the link for breeders in the uk
http://www.tortoise-protection-group.org.uk/site/70.asp

I knew someone who was disabled and had tortoises, and for her out side tortoise run she had a raised bed made, so that she could access it easily, it was quite amazing how you can adapt. The torts gave her so much pleasure, and I am sure that wneh they get into adult hood you could adapt the garden too.
Have you decided on what torts you will have?
Jane

i wanted to have a horsefield or a good starting breed